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  My Story

  by SamTheGinge in

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  2. friends

  so, i joined just yesterday after coming across this forum looking at beth sarim, and i though that i would share my story with you.

  it will no doubt be very similar to a lot of others, but it's a way of getting to know me at least.. i was brought up as witness from the age of 4 years old, my dad picked up the 'truth' from one of his friends in the pub and it seemed to go from there, he would quickly get baptised and progress to becoming a ministerial servant and then an elder.

  from a young age i wanted to be like my dad and become a pioneer, a ministerial servant and then an elder... perhaps even becoming a co. the world, spiritually speaking, was my oyster.

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  Nathan Natas

  Don't feel too bad. We ALL got baptized for the wrong reason, but baptism is the first step to becoming an XJW.

  Welcome!
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  Pyramid Schemes

  by schnell in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  several years ago, i was introduced to a "wonderful" company called fortune hi tech marketing by a brother and his wife.

  they had been introduced by a former sheriff who claims he had researched the company and found no leins or judgments, and that former sheriff had been brought in by a pastor.

  you can read what happened with fhtm on wikipedia if you so desire.. this whole new idea of multilevel marketing had my brain reeling, though, and soon enough, i actually signed up with none other than prepaid legal.

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  Nathan Natas

  I have this idea for selling actual pyramids through FaceBook. I think you have what it takes to be a major partner in my business. Let me know if you're interested, OK?

  This is going to be BIG, trust me.

  PS - I am not a crook.
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  What Comes After the Watchtower Collapse?

  by schnell in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was going to put this in my thread about pyramid schemes, but i thought it's discreet enough to warrant its own.

  1) there are many faithful jws.

  2) there are many men and women who could take control and fill the void if the watchtower collapses.

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  After the Watchtower collapse, there will be a luncheon buffet and a no-host bar.
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  Let's Be Honest - You or One of Your Ancestors Was an Idiot

  by Simon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  why were we ever a jw?

  were we mad?

  we must have been .... well, my excuse is that i knew nothing else.

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  Nathan Natas

  Landy, you probably know better than I do. After all, you weren't there.

  I think your number three applies to you. My windows are a bit soiled. Will you do them again, please?
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  "Don't you want our kids to have what we had?"

  by schnell in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  my wife just asked me this.

  my answer, in no uncertain terms, is no.

  we both grew up in the dub religion.

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  WHAT "did you have"? A basket full of lies and false hopes and a completely wrong understanding of the nature of reality and how the world works with irrational superstitions.

  In other words, you had a mental disease, with spiritual maggots eating your brain.

  You want your kids to have THAT?
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  Let's Be Honest - You or One of Your Ancestors Was an Idiot

  by Simon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  why were we ever a jw?

  were we mad?

  we must have been .... well, my excuse is that i knew nothing else.

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  Nathan Natas

  Fascinating topic!

  Look at how many adults are hung up on not admitting that their parents had "standard issue" human failings.

  Speaking for myself, one look at my 'rents (I've been told that's the "hip" term for "parents," and it saves TWO LETTERS) and an examination of their life events lead incontrovertibly to the conclusion that YES, my parents were idiots!

  Want more proof? Read my posts.

  My mother was the idiot who bought the JW sales pitch.

  Through the years I've analyzed her in absentia (she won't talk to me, and I gladly reciprocate). Her dad died when she was just entering her teens. She was the apple of her daddy's eye, and his death left her in the custody of her crazy inbred hillbilly mother and her older unkind brothers. She was sexually abused within a year of her dad's death, and soon fled north to join her older married sister who did provide her with some sanctuary. But sanctuary doesn't prevent a person from making a whole bunch of brand-new bad decisions, and she did. Instead of seeking knowledge and wisdom, she decided she "knew it all" and sought good times and parties and such.

  That led to an unwanted pregnancy (Hi there!) and a lousy marriage, yoked to an undisciplined man who felt trapped and directionless. His favorite excuse was that everybody always lied to him.

  When his new bride told him about how she was the victim of sexual abuse in her early teens, he slapped her and called her a whore. Mr. Nice Guy.

  One day a couple of liars came to her door and told her that her daddy was going to be resurrected. Soon. VERY SOON. Quick! Study the Bible with us!

  She couldn't read, so those nice Bible grifters taught her how to read and how to tell her husband that his family's church was Satanic.

  He listened to their crap for a while. Everybody always lied to him. Then he tried to murder his bride. Failed at that. Split. Everybody always lied to him.

  He's dead now. When he died, I took pleasure in reminding her that according to the Faithful & Discreet Slave, soon he would be resurrected too. THAT almost drove her crazy*, and she had to have one of the lying grifters promise her that he would not be resurrected.

  I'm just glad this idiocy isn't hereditary.

  *Seriously. The thought of this abomination (my father) benefitting from her Lord's ransom sacrifice CONSUMED her for several weeks; it was nearly the only thing she could talk about with any Theocrat. It was like watching a cat chase it's own tail, on a spiritual level. PRICELESS!
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  Starting a 'Bible Study' - The Basics

  by Joe Grundy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i never was a jw.

  i was brought up in a fairly fundie sect (pb) and have been for many years an interested atheist.

  i am an admirer of the work of bart ehrman (and recommend his blog).. from time to time, jws call at my door and invite me to partake in a 'bible study'.

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  I _like_ the idea of giving the presumptive "Bible teacher" a little quiz first, it's diabolical, and these "experiences" are very entertaining.
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  What if all JWs had put off having children?

  by keyser soze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  could the religion have survived?.

  i know it was never forbidden, but i remember growing up, how we were encouraged to put it off until the new system, and instead focus on a career in the full time service.. can you imagine if every young jw had chosen to follow that counsel?

  it's difficult to imagine the religion being sustainable without the next generation of born-ins..

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  Nathan Natas

  I would offer that, as originally conceived (pun unintentional), the JW religion was NEVER INTENDED to "survive"!

  C. T. Russell thought his job was to gather "the elect" out of apostate Christendom so they could be joyously joined at the hip as The Bride of The Christ.

  As time passed and the CASHFLOW possibilities of the Brooklyn Org were realized, it was still thought that JWs would remain a minority religion until their loving YHVH killed 90% of humanity. THEN the faithful dubs would be vindicated and the entire planet would become of one mind with the rest of the Universe.

  Today, however, the prophetic failures of the WTB&TS have given the leadership a rude wake-up call. They NEED to keep the CASHFLOW going; they NEED their phony-baloney jobs and their submissive flock! How else could they survive with a résumé that says:

  "1878 to Present: Failed Prophet"?
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  The Earliest Printed Book Still in Existence - the Buddhist Diamond Sutra

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the british library has a copy of this important historical work (dated to may 868 ce), and has been working to conserve its copy.

  this film made by the international dunhuang project (formed to conserve relics from the silk road (the east-west trading network) backgrounds the sutra's story:.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgn5hqxtlmc.

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  Nathan Natas

  "Thus shall ye think of all this fleeting world:

  A star at dawn,

  A bubble floating in a stream,

  A flash of lightning in a summer cloud,

  A flickering lamp,

  A phantom,

  and a dream."

  More TRUTH here than The Watchtower ever dreamed of.
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  Millions now living will never die (orginally "may" never die) was the WTS lying

  by blondie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this was first said in 1918 and adjusted to "will never die" in 1920. of course, the wts taught that the anointed had to die to go to heaven; but there was no great crowd teaching then, so they were talking about all non-anointed people on earth.

  the wts members were known as bible students then and had been expecting the end in 1914 and it was adjusted.

  one date that was stressed at that time was 1925. so i think they idea was that people living in 1918 would be alive to see the end in 1925, which of course did not happen.

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  Nathan Natas

  "That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die." -- HPL